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BlackRecluse · Dec 05, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

im basically stuck in the beginners island in elona. im stuck at ~145 sunspear points, ive done all the quests and i cannot get blessings (my character is level 20). i cant do jokanur diggings because i need 170 points, but i cant get it...not sure what to do exactly

Phaedra Firesoul · Dec 05, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

how did you reach level 20 with only 145 sunspear points? is it an elonan character?

BlackRecluse · Dec 05, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

yes, it is an elonian char

DeanBB · Dec 05, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

You have done every available quest?

Phaedra Firesoul · Dec 05, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

i just dont understand how you could have made it to level 20 with only 145 sunspear points. i got off the island with my dervish almost a general (over 1,000 pts i think) already and she wasnt even level 20. you should have primary quests to follow, if you dont see any and can't enter the missions, try First Sunspear David in Kamadan. He tends to have new quests.

BlackRecluse · Dec 06, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

ive done every single quest, including every quest in explorable areas. it doesnt really matter how i got to 20, but i did and now im stuck...ill try your suggestions and comb the areas for quests i might have missed. any other advice would help. i dont feel like deleting this char..

RPGmaniac · Dec 06, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

how are you not getting blessings? i got blessings up until commander i believe, which is 1000 promo points. what areas are you trying to get blessings in? if you havn't tried it, go to mehtani keys or somewhere like that, i know they give blessings there up until commander. its in the southern part of istan.

Tachyon · Dec 06, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by BlackRecluse

ive done every single quest, including every quest in explorable areas.

No you haven't! Mainly because the part below Beknur Harbour isn't open to you and neither is the Mehtani Key's, an area below Kodlunu Hamlet.

I also can't understand how you managed to get Lv.20 with only 145 Sunspear points. Like I said above, the area on the island with the higher level enemies isn't even open to you yet. Hell if you haven't even got past Jokanur Diggings how did you get the XP to gain Lv.20?

Stormcloud · Dec 06, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31

"it doesnt really matter how i got to 20, but i did and now im stuck.."

It obviously matters how you got to lvl20 as you now have 145 sunspear points and cannot get anymore.

Akshara · Dec 06, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32

The simplest way to gain Sunspear points is to accept bounties from the NPCs at resurrections shrines, then go farm the creatures for those bounties. My recent Elonian character is lvl 10 at Jokanur Diggings with Sunspear Captain rank. When I go on a quest run, I make a quick tour of all the res shrines in the area before proceeding, to get the bounties for each type of creature (usually plants, insects, skale and skree), then go do the quests. Any creatures along the way give double experience and sunspear points. Since you're already lvl 20, they won't give experience, but they should still give points.

BlackRecluse · Dec 06, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

ok, let me just clear up a few things:

im level 20, i only have 145 points. i have access to kamadan, great hall, astralarium, champion's dawn and jokanur diggings. every other city has a blocked gate, so i cannot enter. i have tried every possible area available, and nobody will give me blessings. and finally, ive done every quest available (im about 95% sure of this, ill have to double check..).

VGJustice · Dec 06, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Black, I have no earthly idea how you managed to get to level 20 in those areas. Most of the monsters there are fairly low level, and the quest rewards are very low. You must have power leveled yourself on a handful of specific monsters without ever getting a blessing. Ever.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think you get more than 145 Sunspear Promotion Points with only the quests in those areas. I'd recommend going back to Kamadan and the Sunspear Great Hall and looking for ANYONE with an available quest.

strcpy · Dec 06, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

I rather suspect that the level 20 part is the issue. It shouldn't be possible to get there without getting more sunspear points than that.

I do not know what he/she did but I also suspect there is a reason why they continue to say "It doesn't matter how, all that does is I am". It may be possible to do with killing the level 14 mobs in "A decayed monument", abandoning the quest, and redoing it a whole bunch. If I read the EXP tables correctly on GW a level 19 character gains some experience from them, though that falls into "game exploit". Generally speaking doing some type of exploit can have a tendency (in any game) to get you stuck and will most likely not get a "fix" by Anet (well, other than make it impossible for the next in line to do).

All I can say I look at quildwiki and see if there are any quests you haven't done. Other than that - delete them and start over.

Faer · Dec 06, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

Farming mobs linked to a quest until they no longer give you experience is an exploit now...?

Damn, sucks to be a farmer of [wiki]Charr at the Gate[/wiki]...

strcpy · Dec 06, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

No, simply killing mobs linked to a quest isn't an exploit. Completing a quest and repeatedly canceling/retaking it so you can fight more is. Much as the AFK lightbringer stuff is "simply killing things" yet is obviously and exploit (and fixed). Having the axe that could have two +enchant mods was an exploit even though it was perfectly possible in the game too.

All are obviously not intended in the game and is an abuse of the game engine, you are going so far out of what the design specs of the game are that it is neither designed to handle it or tested for. In such cases you get what you do - if it works it is luck.

Use them at your own risk. Most of the time, no problem - after all there are quite a few r7 and r8 lightbringers out there that used it to no ill effect. Farming Charr in pre-searing obviously works (and with the new title is officially sanctioned by Anet).

Other times you spend 100k+50 ecto for a crappy low level blue, or you may get what the original poster did (assuming that is what he did - having not heard from him/her that was pure speculation). Obviously if one were to farm the drakes to level 20 without doing other stuff first doesn't work (or whatever the OP did to get that far also). That's what "luck" means - sometimes you win, sometimes you do not.

Anet doesn't care if you loose your time or gold using an exploit and I can hardly blame them. This is especially true when the "fix" breaks the game for everyone not doing the exploit. When one works with no ill side effects - be happy. When one doesn't, chalk it up to doing something you were not supposed too. If you do not, you are not going to ever be happy with any game as that is the standard way of dealing with them. Be happy Anet doesn't roll exploited character back - lots of places do that.

Shaq_gw · Dec 06, 2006, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Go to beknur harbor on the Southheast island, exit to the east and hunt skales

Even a lvl 20 will get blessings there.

strcpy · Dec 06, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

He/she leveled to 20 before starting Jokanur Diggings and it requires second spear sunspear level to start. There are not enough quests alone available to get to that level, some must be gotten from shrines and killing enemies which no longer give bounties at that level.

He/she does not have access to Beknur Harbor, they get have to complete Jokanur Diggings first. Anything to the left of Jokanur Diggings, from Beknur Harbor down, and from Blacktide Den down is unavailable (neither of the last two outpost is available).

Deleet · Dec 06, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

I guess it's your fault for not taking even ONE bounty. Sigh

No need to fix this.

Twonaiver · Dec 06, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

this might sound stupid, but have you got your second prof ?

Vangor · Dec 06, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

I guess it does speak to the annoyance of sunspear points as a requirement in Nightfall if someone can be stuck due to them. Running through almost every quest you could access, it does run you below 170 (even accounting for I might have added in a primary quest or two)

They do need to create quests with a bit higher in terms of point values, those masters quests should be double and there are so many quests without any sunspear points it is kind of annoying, if they all gave 5 at least if not say 20 for that feast of bokka one, then it would be a bit of help early on.

That I think the sunspear ranks for primary quests is a bit ridiculous, as are having heroes.

Dec 05, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#1
BlackRecluse Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: [Dark] Profession: W/	cant procede any farther in elona im basically stuck in the beginners island in elona. im stuck at ~145 sunspear points, ive done all the quests and i cannot get blessings (my character is level 20). i cant do jokanur diggings because i need 170 points, but i cant get it...not sure what to do exactly

Dec 06, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17	#7
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	how are you not getting blessings? i got blessings up until commander i believe, which is 1000 promo points. what areas are you trying to get blessings in? if you havn't tried it, go to mehtani keys or somewhere like that, i know they give blessings there up until commander. its in the southern part of istan. Last edited by RPGmaniac; Dec 06, 2006 at 03:19 AM // 03:19..

Dec 06, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13	#14
Faer La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo Join Date: Feb 2006	Farming mobs linked to a quest until they no longer give you experience is an exploit now...? Damn, sucks to be a farmer of [wiki]Charr at the Gate[/wiki]... __________________ Stay Breezy

Dec 05, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43	#2
Phaedra Firesoul Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Under a rock. Guild: Silencing To Avert Brutality Profession: R/	how did you reach level 20 with only 145 sunspear points? is it an elonan character?

Dec 05, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#3
BlackRecluse Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: [Dark] Profession: W/	yes, it is an elonian char

Dec 05, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28	#4
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	You have done every available quest?

Dec 05, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33	#5
Phaedra Firesoul Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Under a rock. Guild: Silencing To Avert Brutality Profession: R/	i just dont understand how you could have made it to level 20 with only 145 sunspear points. i got off the island with my dervish almost a general (over 1,000 pts i think) already and she wasnt even level 20. you should have primary quests to follow, if you dont see any and can't enter the missions, try First Sunspear David in Kamadan. He tends to have new quests.

Dec 06, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#6
BlackRecluse Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: [Dark] Profession: W/	ive done every single quest, including every quest in explorable areas. it doesnt really matter how i got to 20, but i did and now im stuck...ill try your suggestions and comb the areas for quests i might have missed. any other advice would help. i dont feel like deleting this char..

Dec 06, 2006, 03:31 AM // 03:31	#9
Stormcloud Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oregon, USA	"it doesnt really matter how i got to 20, but i did and now im stuck.." It obviously matters how you got to lvl20 as you now have 145 sunspear points and cannot get anymore.

Dec 06, 2006, 03:32 AM // 03:32	#10
Akshara Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	The simplest way to gain Sunspear points is to accept bounties from the NPCs at resurrections shrines, then go farm the creatures for those bounties. My recent Elonian character is lvl 10 at Jokanur Diggings with Sunspear Captain rank. When I go on a quest run, I make a quick tour of all the res shrines in the area before proceeding, to get the bounties for each type of creature (usually plants, insects, skale and skree), then go do the quests. Any creatures along the way give double experience and sunspear points. Since you're already lvl 20, they won't give experience, but they should still give points.

Dec 06, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53	#11
BlackRecluse Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: [Dark] Profession: W/	ok, let me just clear up a few things: im level 20, i only have 145 points. i have access to kamadan, great hall, astralarium, champion's dawn and jokanur diggings. every other city has a blocked gate, so i cannot enter. i have tried every possible area available, and nobody will give me blessings. and finally, ive done every quest available (im about 95% sure of this, ill have to double check..).

Dec 06, 2006, 04:51 AM // 04:51	#12
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	Black, I have no earthly idea how you managed to get to level 20 in those areas. Most of the monsters there are fairly low level, and the quest rewards are very low. You must have power leveled yourself on a handful of specific monsters without ever getting a blessing. Ever. I'm not 100% sure, but I think you get more than 145 Sunspear Promotion Points with only the quests in those areas. I'd recommend going back to Kamadan and the Sunspear Great Hall and looking for ANYONE with an available quest.

Dec 06, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03	#13
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	I rather suspect that the level 20 part is the issue. It shouldn't be possible to get there without getting more sunspear points than that. I do not know what he/she did but I also suspect there is a reason why they continue to say "It doesn't matter how, all that does is I am". It may be possible to do with killing the level 14 mobs in "A decayed monument", abandoning the quest, and redoing it a whole bunch. If I read the EXP tables correctly on GW a level 19 character gains some experience from them, though that falls into "game exploit". Generally speaking doing some type of exploit can have a tendency (in any game) to get you stuck and will most likely not get a "fix" by Anet (well, other than make it impossible for the next in line to do). All I can say I look at quildwiki and see if there are any quests you haven't done. Other than that - delete them and start over.

Dec 06, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09	#15
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	No, simply killing mobs linked to a quest isn't an exploit. Completing a quest and repeatedly canceling/retaking it so you can fight more is. Much as the AFK lightbringer stuff is "simply killing things" yet is obviously and exploit (and fixed). Having the axe that could have two +enchant mods was an exploit even though it was perfectly possible in the game too. All are obviously not intended in the game and is an abuse of the game engine, you are going so far out of what the design specs of the game are that it is neither designed to handle it or tested for. In such cases you get what you do - if it works it is luck. Use them at your own risk. Most of the time, no problem - after all there are quite a few r7 and r8 lightbringers out there that used it to no ill effect. Farming Charr in pre-searing obviously works (and with the new title is officially sanctioned by Anet). Other times you spend 100k+50 ecto for a crappy low level blue, or you may get what the original poster did (assuming that is what he did - having not heard from him/her that was pure speculation). Obviously if one were to farm the drakes to level 20 without doing other stuff first doesn't work (or whatever the OP did to get that far also). That's what "luck" means - sometimes you win, sometimes you do not. Anet doesn't care if you loose your time or gold using an exploit and I can hardly blame them. This is especially true when the "fix" breaks the game for everyone not doing the exploit. When one works with no ill side effects - be happy. When one doesn't, chalk it up to doing something you were not supposed too. If you do not, you are not going to ever be happy with any game as that is the standard way of dealing with them. Be happy Anet doesn't roll exploited character back - lots of places do that.

Dec 06, 2006, 09:54 AM // 09:54	#16
Shaq_gw Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Lowlands Strike Force Profession: Mo/Me	Go to beknur harbor on the Southheast island, exit to the east and hunt skales Even a lvl 20 will get blessings there.

Dec 06, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17	#17
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	He/she leveled to 20 before starting Jokanur Diggings and it requires second spear sunspear level to start. There are not enough quests alone available to get to that level, some must be gotten from shrines and killing enemies which no longer give bounties at that level. He/she does not have access to Beknur Harbor, they get have to complete Jokanur Diggings first. Anything to the left of Jokanur Diggings, from Beknur Harbor down, and from Blacktide Den down is unavailable (neither of the last two outpost is available).

Dec 06, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44	#18
Deleet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Denmark Guild: Rule Thirty Four [prOn] Profession: Mo/	I guess it's your fault for not taking even ONE bounty. Sigh No need to fix this.

Dec 06, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18	#19
Twonaiver Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Location: S??o Paulo Brasil Profession: R/	this might sound stupid, but have you got your second prof ?

Dec 06, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#20
Vangor Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005	I guess it does speak to the annoyance of sunspear points as a requirement in Nightfall if someone can be stuck due to them. Running through almost every quest you could access, it does run you below 170 (even accounting for I might have added in a primary quest or two) They do need to create quests with a bit higher in terms of point values, those masters quests should be double and there are so many quests without any sunspear points it is kind of annoying, if they all gave 5 at least if not say 20 for that feast of bokka one, then it would be a bit of help early on. That I think the sunspear ranks for primary quests is a bit ridiculous, as are having heroes.